Pierre Ethier has NOT trained Trey Lotz and has NOT provided Ls materials to Trey Lotz! Pierre has NO connection with Trey!
Written by Site Admin ( The author is not Pierre Ethier)
Below is a summary of concerns raised by Karen De La Carriere in regard to the lack of proper auditor training for delivery of the Ls in the independent field. IFA / APIS did not provide me with a response and did not address their certification scheme shortcomings in the light of the issues raised below. I want to thank Karen for raising the concerns below and to thank her for taking the safety of the PCs at heart. It requires an impressive amount of dedication in studies and perfection of your own techniques to master the proper delivery of the Ls. It is even more impressive the amount of care about the well being of the PC that motivated auditors like Karen to master their tech.
The current situation is that untrained auditors deliver while PR-ing their business practice with “success stories” and no case gain. On the background are their failed cases spiritually broken, hopeless and desperate. There were instances of corrupt practices sabotaging the PC ‘s spiritual case. Those practices led to botched Ls and/or extended the delivery time cycle for practitioner’s financial profit to four or even ten times beyond the normal Ls delivery cycle. It is unethical for a trainee to use the PC as a “cash cow” while charging excessive hourly rates. For example the average standardly delivered L12 should take not more than 25 hours delivered in a week. L11 should be delivered in a week and L10 takes 2-3 weeks. This is based on case average statistics of over 5000 cases. A warning sign of improper processing of L12 would be if you have received it in over 4 months period in 130 hours. The Ls are very powerful processing and are designed by LRH to be delivered on an intensive daily schedule in order to produce a successful case gain. The pricing for the Ls is recommended to be based on a flat fee for the whole completed cycle. It is definitely NOT recommended to get one session a week and if your auditor can not accommodate you in his schedule or shortchange you with advice that is against your best interest, this should be a warning sign. One session a week or less on the Ls is a violation of C/S Series #1. How trustworthy is a testimonial from an individual who is trying to promote their own business with violations of the basic auditing rules that LRH established himself. LRH has designed L11 and L12 to be delivered in about a week and L10 to be delivered in about 3 weeks.
An example of abuse comes to my mind , when a PC was forced to bare the cost of living out of town for 4 months and “completed” L12 in 130 hours paying to a junior class auditor more than what he would of paid in the Church of Scientology for a Class XII auditing. Normally this cycle should of taken less than a week and in 95% of the cases takes less than 2 intensives.
I strongly believe that auditors who really care about their PCs will undergo the proper training, including internships, studies and drills as described by Karen. The independent field needs to adhere to higher standards to KSW.
December 21, 2011
Karen De La Carriere: ….[name omitted ] ….. “never had any Ls training. He certainly did not have the very complex and unique training of Class X, XI and Class XII. There is an enormous study of LRH CSed folders and special testsn to understand why LRH CSed that way. ” ….[name omitted ] ….” never came anywhere near this section of the training.”
Karen De La Carriere : “ The Ls are like a Ferrari. Most people can drive one up to 100mph but the minute you get into 150 mph, when things so wrong, they go terribly wrong. The Ls are high performance spiritual work that require expert handling by qualified Ls auditors. This requires interneships and not done by reading ‘hat write ups”.”
Karen De La Carriere : “When something goes wrong …either in a high performance vehicle or intense spiritual work ~~ the results can be catastrophic if one does not know how to recover from trouble. Lisa Mcpherson, 3 weeks after L-11 (see the image on the web of her proudly displaying her L-11 Cert and smiling) went Type III, taking off her clothes and walking naked on Fort harrison Avenue. This is an example of how badly it can backfire.”
Karen De La Carriere : “What we are discussing is an expanded range, that which can boost you so high spiritually and take you into the lofty heights of heaven can also backfire in the other direction and send you into hell.”
Karen De La Carriere: “ I will never participate in any action that does not guarantee the safety and well being of pcs. Only knowing, training and understanding the length an breadth of the procedures and their remedies can give the results LRH intended for these rundowns.”
Karen De La Carriere : “One example of how Interneships are so vital is that the AUDITING STYLE of Ls auditing is different. You have to un-do all the TRs 1-4 you have ever learned all your life and learn “TR L10 style” It is designed to impact the case differe…ntly. This needs to be drilled and drilled and drilled on video and one has to watch one’ own videos day after day, month after month til one has perfected one’s performance and til it is second nature. There is nothing in the field in current set ups that can even come near approximating Ls training. Each interneship takes MONTHS of 40 hour to 60 hours in the chair of flawless VWD sessions for graduation to be approved. But the pc is the beneficiary and is now in safe hands. The safety and guaranteed stability of the pc is the primary importance here. To hell with any other consideration than the PC and the PC’s benefit.”
EVIL AND GREED are the motivations for public attacks on Pierre
Below I have included fresh harassment posts forwarding the CoS enemy lines based on exchanges by Aida Thomas and Trey Lotz, Both targeted to instigate attacks on Pierre by omissions. I wish them both well! I also wish that both Aida and Trey move on with their life. They both admit in public to have been keeping track on what Pierre is doing while telling fabrications and claiming the opposite in front of weak minded people they both manipulate to do their dirty work and bidding of viscous attacks. One example about targeted harassment is that right after publishing this note Pierre received threats by email.
Another example is that Trey Lotz below posted comments that clearly indicate that Trey keeps track on Pierre and who Pierre has trained on the Ls as well as on Pierre’s personal activities. How is this any of Trey’s business and why Trey keeps spreading rumors about Pierre ? Simple answer is that this is Trey’s covert way to instigate attacks on Pierre and fraudulently to portray himself as the “good guy”. This is Scientology fairgame 101. Do not be mistaken about the real intentions as to why those rumors are put on public lines in places where Pierre can not respond! People need to see through it!
I have always hoped that both ( Trey and Aida) can do much better than purposefully forward the church enemy lines. I am also hoping they both move onto greener pastures! Aida Thomas somehow feels entitled to receive a copy of Pierre’s personal notes about the Ls despite her gross out ethics and consistent attacks spreading fabrications and insults about Pierre, his family and his child. She also sent a foul language KR full of profanities and insults to Pierre wife’s non-Scientology work. Somehow after years of harassing my family, Aida still feels entitled to parasitically use Pierre’s work for her own profit. When confronted about her own out ethics and how creepy this is , Aida keeps using brainwashed “friends” of hers to dead agent the truth. Aida’s consistent attacks on Pierre are excused with her telling that either “this was so long ago” and deceiving people portraying herself as a victim when she in actual fact is the aggressor posting insults on Pierre on ongoing basis in various public forums. One fresh example below from February 20 , 2015. Aida’s modus operandi or or so called operational routine is to use her ” friends” or fraudulent puppet accounts to press buttons and generate hostilities on a targeted individual ( in this case Pierre). If you dare to respond to Aida, she will keep smearing and dragging your name into the mud back channel so you can’t even respond.
Trey Lotz on his site operated by spreading the ” convenient” truths and using his brainwashed PCs to viciously attack a targeted individual. Trey Lotz on his site keeps insisting to have been trained by Pierre omitting the fact that he started training and flunked. If one was a doctor and flunked on his exams , hospitals would not allow him to do surgeries. In the FreeZone however anything goes. This including Treys self promoting himself using Pierre’s name with this type of deception and deliberate omissions. One omission of Trey’s was that he was delivering the Ls without the supervision of a C/S . This is very important as some of the fixes are in the C/S materials. Trey also omits that he started training on L11 which he chronically delivered in duration of 4 months when one week is the standard and besides all technical issues he was charging more than what one would normally pay if the Ls was delivered in the Church. For the unsuspected victims let me tell you some truths: that Trey Lotz’s integrity is rather money and greed motivated as he omits to mention that he also made and agreement with Pierre to charge flat fee for the L which is 1/10 ( one tenth ) of the COS price instead of bleeding the PCs for money during his training. Trey has also taken the liberty to spread suggestive enemy lines on Pierre.
As Trey Lotz says below that Pierre has spend a lot of time compiling the materials on the Ls , then how come Trey Lotz threw under the carpet his integrity and his agreements with Pierre and feels justified to use parasitically Pierre’s personal notes for business purpose and to make profit? I view Trey Lotz as a parasite! The very same way Trey Lotz parasitically was using Pierre for free C/S-ing his numerous session and was parasitically using Pierre’s name to market his business by misleading his PCs that they were C/Sed by Pierre when they were not C/Sed at all after Trey’s refusal to correct his tech . Where was Trey’s integrity to pay a fair exchange for Pierre’s time and expenses instead of taking unfair advantage of Pierre who worked like a slave for 20 years at the Church? Trey’s own words claiming that he has a knowledge as to who is Pierre training on the Ls. This is a very interesting statement! Why would Trey Lotz track who is Pierre training and what is Trey’s obsession with Pierre’s personal affairs?
In order to silence some truths Trey Lotz PCs have viciously attacked and fairgamed Pierre and his family. I am talking this not just spreading mere insults on the internet but legal threats on Pierre and his family, extortion , stalking and criminal harassment in partnership with the CoS ! This is to prove my point about the product of Trey Lotz – his PCs are not spiritually fulfilled stable and serene completing L11 with Trey , but instead plotting to cause evil to family of 3 people with attempting to profit by taking the home of a disabled child and leaving 3 people homeless on the street. This is Trey’s UGLY and EVIL product!
After many years in silence I decided that from now on I will PUBLISH the information about all manipulations , attacks and constant insults!
Wall of Shame
Trey Lotz and Aida Thomas busy with forwarding Church of Scientology enemy lines, fabrications to create conflicts and upsets. Below you will see how both ( Aida and Trey) third party Pierre behind his back.
This following is a response by Pierre Ethier which was originally published in 2012:
Do you distribute copyrighted materials?
Absolutely not, despite of rumors and innuendos from Trey Lotz and his associates.
What about delivery of the Ls in the Free Field?
Rumors and innuendos from Trey Lotz, Perry Sheppard and their associates, using Pierre’s name as a reference and fraudulently claiming that Pierre has trained them to deliver the Ls are untrue.
The Ls are designed to be delivered by Flag trained Class XIIs. There is a huge difference between a Flag trained auditor and a field auditor. Below is a Quote by Karen De La Carierre , Class XII C/S:
“I soon discovered that a “Field Class VIII” did not mean a Flag Class VIII. And so I re-did all my internships and then trained up to Class XII…”
Rumors that Pierre has trained Trey Lotz to deliver the Ls are also untrue. Pierre did attempt to train Trey Lotz on L11 , Trey committed gross auditing errors , refused correction and never sent a video for evaluation, yet made many unreasonable demands. Trey Lotz never attested nor completed Ls training with Pierre. Trey Lotz is a field auditor, never worked in an advanced organization and has mostly experience auditing the Lower Bridge . It is a well known fact that as a field auditor Trey was forbidden per Church Policy to audit any Upper Level Rundowns and OT Levels. He lacked the discipline and the training to audit under the supervision of a C/S and lacked experience to address the complexity of the Upper Bridge . There is vital information for the Ls in the C/S materials and for an auditor with no experience in the Upper Bridge to deliver the Ls without a C/S is reckless. In addition many of the references related to the Ls are in the Class X , Class XI and Class XII materials and Trey is only Class VIII. When Trey Lotz promotes 40 000 hours on the chair , this means that his experience is overwhelmingly in the Lower Bridge, which is not as complex as the Upper Bridge. L11 was designed by LRH to be delivered in a week , however Trey Lotz was chronically delivering it on numerous occasions in a duration of 4 months. This information is also broadly documented on the internet in various public releases by Trey’s PCs. Additional out tech was present in Trey’s delivery andPierre wish NO association with Trey Lotz.
A number of Trey Lotz PCs have viciously attacked Pierre and his family on Trey’s behalf , this including attacking Pierre’s child due to his disability or making other vicious and cruel threats. The very same Trey’s PCs also carried out vast smear campaigns about Pierre and claimed to have made fraudulent reports to the Church and various government agencies . A PC of Trey claims to have partnered with the Church in attacking Pierre to uphold Trey’s financial interests , claimed to have paid $30 000 to investigate Pierre in order to ruin his auditing practice and take Pierre’s home with intention of unfairly profiting and putting his disabled child homeless. The very same Trey’s PC published on the internet Pierre’s bank account and other clearly private information like phone numbers. Her invitation to harass Pierre. This was an organized effort of associates of Trey Lotz in a partnership with the Church to silence and dead agent Pierre in order prevent him from spiritual progress. This evil plot eventually fired back on the conspirators. Such a behavior is practically shameless and it is sad to see such EVIL outcome has been produced by a practitioner out ofGREED! EVIL is a poor product! We hope that one day the above people will realize that seeking to destroy people of good will (like Pierre) is NOT the road to spiritual enlightenment. This also applies to their enablers and associates. In all cases these PCs were prized and socially rewarded by Trey Lotz despite of their EVIL behavior seeking to destroy a person of good will. Good people who had voiced private concerns directly to Trey Lotz , had been also threatened and harassed by the very same PCs.
Trey Lotz NEVER made any advanced payments to Pierre to book or schedule his time and to cover Pierre’s time and expenses with a fair exchange . Rumors and innuendos from Trey Lotz and his associates in that regard are also untrue. Pierre who spent 20 years in the Sea Org at almost no pay , had covered out of his own pocket many advanced and initial expenses , as well as ongoing expenses related Trey, who had spent his time as a field auditor at the rate of around $160 000/ year. (based on Trey’s own reports to IRS for tax exemption 2004 ,2009 , other– not paying taxes for paid services is an operation set up to function like the Church- merely mentioning the facts here! Also based on Trey Lotz own boosting to have delivered 4000 hours of Ls auditing which amounts to 2500 hours in the last two years or $250 000 per year just from the Ls where around $100 000/year seem to have been unreported to IRS) In one year period alone Pierre provided to Trey in excess of 300 hours unpaid services. Despite that fact Trey went ahead with to spread rumors about Pierre and had the arrogance to insist that Pierre have to serve his practice as a slave ( at NO PAY!).
Pierre Ethier also had NO knowledge and has NO association with the intimidating “agreement” used by Trey Lotz on his Preclears , where Preclears seem to have been asked to contract themselves out of legal rights. ( Link to the document as published by Trey’s PCs) . Pierre Ethier does NOT approve practices based on intimidation and disprove this supressive document that could potentially prevent a Preclear from spiritual gains. .
Below is a quote by LRH that explains that the Upper Bridge should not be misused. This applies for the Ls , OT Levels , Flag Only Rundowns, NOTs and other Upper Bridge actions.
“The lower levels of Scientology are quite innocent. Only the upper grades could be harmful if misused and these are only placed in the hands of experts” L. Ron Hubbard in “ Is Scientology Dangerous”
What about the role of the Case Supervisor ( C/S) in upper level rundowns?
Field auditors affiliated with the Corporate Church of Scientology deliver auditing up to Clear and typically have NO EXPERIENCE in delivering upper levels. Field auditors refer their PC to the Orgs for 15% FSM commission which they receive for services purchased by the PC from the Church. A field auditor usually comes out in the free field with no experience auditing beyond Clear and lacks the discipline to audit under C/S..
Flag only rundowns (which Pierre studied and delivered – e.g. Original Super Power Rundown, Knowledge Rundown , Case Cracker Rundown , New Vitality Rundown , Fixated Person Rundown , Dynamic Sort-out Assessment , NOTs Stability Rundown, Held Down Seven Rundown, Int. by Dynamics Rundown, Havingness Rundown , The Prosperity Rundown, The Money Rundown, Profession Intensive ) address variety of handlings like money and spiritual difficulties, issues, ethics , case situations and other. The Ls , Flag Only Rundowns [Delivered at Flag Only] , NOTs [Delivered only in Advanced Organizations / Sea Orgs] , Power and Superpower require advanced auditor skills and trained C/S. The above rundowns should not be delivered without the supervision of a trained C/S. C/S training is required as some of the handlings are in the C/S materials. The authentic Flag Only Rundowns materials have not been released in the Free Field
The C/S series came out in 1970-es. Any claims that one has been trained as a C/S before that are untrue! “Dishonesty cuts persons reach” and fraudulent claims are only motivated by GREED. One must be pretty desperate to lie and deliberately mislead about their training and attests.